We live in a messy world – toxins, pesticides, heavy metals, radiation – we are constantly being bombarded. Unfortunately, it is often these chemicals that trigger and/or perpetuate thyroid disease as well as other ailments.
Dietary and lifestyle changes play a vital role in staving off and reversing disease. I am always on the lookout for natural ways to assist the body’s healing and detoxifying capabilities.
In today’s interview, you will discover the countless benefits of calcium bentonite clay – an aged volcanic ash known for its detoxification and healing properties. Learn how this miraculous clay can help you eliminate candida overgrowth, stimulate your thyroid, rid you of heavy metals and much more!
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Happy listening! Complete interview transcript is below.
Lily Milkovic: Hello everyone. Welcome and thanks for listening today. My name is Lily Milkovic. I’m a board certified holistic health counselor specializing in thyroid health and thyroid autoimmunity. I know that people with thyroid disease can experience significant improvement in their health by implementing simple dietary and life style changes.
I am committed to helping my clients live more vibrant lives. You can find me online at LilyMilkovic.com.
I am super excited about today’s topic. We are going to explore some of the countless benefits of calcium bentonite clay – an aged volcanic ash known for its detoxification and healing properties. Calcium bentonite clay has been safely used for thousands of years by people and animals alike and can be taken both internally and externally without any harm to the body.
Joining me today to discuss this amazing gift from nature is Perry A. Perry A. is the author of the astounding and captivating book, Living Clay: Nature’s Own Miracle, which introduces the intriguing healing properties of calcium bentonite clay.
Perry has been an ongoing student of bentonite clays since the early 1990s, when she was first introduced to a green, healing calcium bentonite, which captured her fascination of the amazing healing potential of dirt.
She’s been an advocate for bentonite clays every since. She has a Bachelor’s of Science degree in Animal Science from Texas Tech, and a background in chemistry, biology and veterinary science that has contributed greatly to her knowledge base and understanding of the intricate workings of clays.
Perry is also the proud founder of Living Clay. Perry, thank you so much for being here with me today. It’s my pleasure to have you.
Perry A.: Thank you, Lily. I love the way we met, and how the spontaneity of like thought processes on the body and maintaining a quality of life have interwoven itself, and here we are together on an interview.
Lily: Absolutely. There’s no such thing as coincidence. I’m happy to have you here today!
Your product, Living Clay, which I love, by the way, it’s a calcium bentonite clay, and it’s used to balance, cleanse, detoxify, and accelerate healing. Tell us, what is calcium bentonite clay exactly, and honestly how is it any different from the dirt in my back yard?
Perry: It’s the core of mother earth and it has to be birthed through the volcano, the tremendous heat of the volcano, that burns up all the impurities and leaves nothing but pure trace minerals linked together in a particle called clay, its volcanic ash.
The ash settles into an inland creek, river, or sea bed, and over millions of years the bed dries out and you have a deposit of clay. Some of these deposits, the scientists say, are up to 43 million years old. It’s taken a long time.
It’s a by‑product of a volcano and that makes it different from the dirt in your back yard. They are very pure deposits, they’re all…they’re not voluntarily soil that’s washed down and filtrated in with dust storms and things and layered up.
It’s been in this bed and this particular clay has been sealed with a gas bubble from the volcano. It went over the top of the clay bed and then solidified into crystalline zeolite which is not water absorbable.
Water does not go through the crystalline zeolite, so it has really purified the bed of clay and kept it very clean.
Above that, there’s six to eight feet of top soil and all that is scraped away before we get down to the pure bed of clay.
All clays are different and all deposits are different. You want to make sure that it’s a clay that has been kept pure and that they have a quality control test that shows you that it’s really safe to take internally because they’ve had it tested and it meets Federal Food Grade standards.
Lily: I understand also that the calcium bentonite clay can be used, applied topically or used in a bath, and even consumed internally in a hydrated form. I’m curious about the benefits of consuming it internally.
Perry: When you take it internally, it starts working in the mouth and it goes south. One of the reasons the FDA turns a blind eye to clay is because the clay particle is too large to go into the blood stream. They’re not very concerned about it and yet, it has these wonderful properties – a multitude of properties ‑ that make it ideal for taking internally because it cleans house from the mouth, south.
It goes in there, and the clay is a negative charge, and it’s looking for a positive charge. It’s like a little magnet.
Imagine a little Pac‑Man going through and sucking up all the “baddies”. By the way, your “baddies” are your positive charge, so it’s just going and doing the housecleaning, looking for the dust balls, and the dirt, and it’s sucking them up. It literally captures it and carries it out of the body. It cleanses the lower colon.
It literally, with the magnetic charge, pulls out that old putrefied fecal matter that’s lodged in our colons, that’s literally blocking our absorptions of nutrients and supplements that we take. It pulls that out – cleanses that out of the body. Parasites like the clay, they’re drawn to it, and they’re carried out of the body.
Lily: Real quick, let me see if I’m understanding this right.
You’re talking about the calcium bentonite clay as having a negative charge, and all these things that it can help us detox from, like bacteria, chemicals, viruses, parasites, fungus, mold, yeast, heavy metals, even radiation, all these have positive charges. Clay is basically, acting as a magnet to attract all that stuff and pull it out of the body. Is that right?
Perry: Yes. The Indians say that clay has a wisdom of its own, and it knows where to go and what to do.
Dioscorides was a Greek physician back in the Roman days. When he tried to describe clay, he said it has a god‑like intelligence, knowing where to go and what to do. He didn’t know about chemistry back in those days, and he didn’t know about positive and negative ionic charges, so he just knew the results and he gave it a god‑like intelligence.
I thought that was really interesting.
Lily: That is interesting. The clay also works on the body, I think you mention in your literature, because it has an adsorptive and an absorptive agent.
Perry: Only smectite clays. Your bentonites are of the smectite family of clays and they have absorptive and adsorptive agents. Absorption, we are familiar with, that’s like a sponge that soaks up. The adsorption is on the outer layer of the clay. On this outer layer, there are some molecules of calcium, potassium, sodium, and magnesium and these are thrown off. This is called the catonic exchange layer, and I’m getting into a little chemistry. These are thrown off into the body to make room for the baddies. They’re attached to the outside.
The other things are pulled into the inside. In the inside of the clay particle, there are layers upon layers, little thin layers. Imagine little thin, microscopically thin, business cards.
Within each of these layers when you hydrate it with water, it expands and the negative charge just comes alive.
It’s got this strong negative magnet on the inside that just pulls these viruses, and fungus, and chemicals, the bad stuff, into the clay particle, and is carried out of the body.
Clay will always go to the worst concentrations first.
Lily: Can you talk about how the clay balances the body’s pH?
Perry: It’s going to balance any acidity. It’s homeostatic, so when you take it internally, it wants to bring out balance. It doesn’t want to over‑alkalize.
I’ve been taking it for a long time, and this clay has a 9.7 pH, which is one of its star qualities, that makes it work so well in the body with healing. It never over‑alkalizes you. It brings you right into balance. I stay between 7 and 7.4, which is ideal.
Most of us are over‑acidic. Stress causes acidity. A lot of the foods we eat can cause acidity.
When we have skin conditions, it’s a sign that we’re out of balance on the inside. Your skin is a reflection of what’s going on inside you with your digestive tract. That acidity builds up and, of course, we know it’s the breeding ground for cancers, and bacteria, and the bad things in our body.
Lily: We can’t effectively detox unless our bodies are in an alkaline state. That’s just another plus of this clay.
Perry: Daily we ingest toxins, chemicals and heavy metals. We’re not aware of it, but our atmosphere has become polluted with chemically induced industry that we have in air pollution and water pollution. We’re daily getting bombarded with toxins. If the clay carries those out of the body, before they’re absorbed into the body, then we’ve taken the workload off the kidney and the liver.
It can do what it’s designed to do, to clean the blood and get the waste material out. It’s pretty much in overload now.
Lily: On that note, as far as the clay helping to detox the heavy metals, can you talk a little bit about how it captures them and actually helps the body eliminate them?
Perry: Internally, it grabs them. If you have pesticides in your food, it’s a given that clay absorbs paraquat, arsenic, and some of these things, radiation, the bad bacteria, the viruses, the fungus, we know that. When you’re ingesting foods, there are chemicals in your food that you can’t see, you don’t know they’re there.
You eat the food and you release those chemicals. The clay pulls them into the molecule because they have a positive charge, and carries them out of the body. They never go into the blood stream.
If you’ve already absorbed some, which all of us have ‑‑ most of us are carrying around a lot of toxins ‑‑ the only way to get them out once they’re absorbed into the body, if the kidney and the liver and the lymph glands can’t filter it out and get all the waste out, then these things are stored in our body in the soft tissues and joints.
Over years, it builds up and then we get arthritis. We get aches, pains. We get diseases, all sorts of things. The only way to get that out is by taking clay baths, so it comes out externally.
The skin is the largest organ on the body ‑ the largest breathing organ. When you take a hot clay bath, you get in there and the hot water opens the pores. It’s like sweating. The clay literally pulls the toxins out through your body. You don’t feel it, you don’t see it. It’s very relaxing, but you get in a clay bath, and you run your hand down your thigh, and it almost feels like little air bubbles.
It feels slick. You rub it off and it goes away in little bits. You feel again and it’s back. You rub it off and it feels like skin again. You keep that up and it’s literally pulling the heavy metals and toxins out of the body.
We had a child that was three and a half years old that had 7.3 levels of lead in his blood stream. The doctors wanted to give him the intravenous chelation, putting the chemicals in the blood stream to clean the blood, where he’d have to go in every week for a while and get this intravenous injection of chemicals into his blood stream to clean it.
He was born with a birth defect and he’d had 20 surgeries in his lifetime. He’d had so much trauma and so many antibiotics, they thought that’s probably what was causing his problem. His dad heard me on the radio and decided he wanted to try the clay baths first. He gave him a one cup clay bath, twice a week, for three months, and was giving him a tablespoon of the liquid clay twice a day.
He took him back in three months and the doctors checked his blood again. The doctors came in and said, “What have you been doing?” He said, “What do you mean, ‘What have I been doing?'” He said, “Well, we just checked your son and his lead level is at zero. We want to know what you’ve been doing.” I thought that was a significant plus for clay.
If he was cleared of it in two months, for some reason they have said three months is the protocol range. If you know you’re really, really heavy, you can take a bath every day. You don’t have to wait. Sometimes you need to be more aggressive than others. But the beauty is, no one’s ever died from using clay.
Lily: That’s good.
Perry: I think you’d have to drown in it to die from clay.
It’s not a drug, so it’s not like you can overdose on clay. It would take you eating several pounds of clay a day to overdose. I don’t know anybody who can eat that much, because clay swells when you mix it, hydrate it.
Lily: I use your clay. I’ve been using it for several weeks now. Sometimes I think I go above the recommended amount. I’ve often wondered is taking more of a good thing better or what?
Perry: Clay just goes from the mouth south. It doesn’t stay in the body. So, you’re good to go.
Lily: Also, you answered my question about heavy metals. I want to know a little bit about how can bentonite clay help someone with candida. A lot of people I work with are working through candida issues.
Perry: Candida is a fungus and we all have it. Lately, our eating styles and our habits have gotten to where it has gotten out of control. It’s fast proliferating. It grows fast, and when it’s out of control, it just goes haywire in our body and really attacks the immune system. If you want to drink the clay, you need to be aggressive with it.
A lot of people with the candida has caused problems in the vaginal area, they have itching. You can take a douche. You can put two ounces of the liquid clay into a pint of water and take a douche with it to clean inside.
With drinking the clay, if you don’t watch what you put into your body, you could get a roller coaster effect. The clay will get it under control, and then if you’re eating sweets and carbohydrates, it’s going to build back up. You get a yo‑yo effect. You really need to watch your diet. You’ve got to stay off those sugars. We need to stay off the sugars and the white flours anyway.
Carbohydrates turn to sugars. I’ve had some people say, “Well, I don’t eat sugar.” But they’re eating bread all the time. Your body doesn’t know the difference. It converts to sugar. You’ve got to work with the clay. It’s very good for that. Taking the clay baths, I recommend everybody take the clay baths just to help your body get back into its state of health.
Lily: We’ve talked a lot about how clay can remedy various, different health issues. I want to know, can you consume hydrated clay internally on a regular basis, like maintenance, or is it mainly used when you’re dealing with a specific health concern?
Perry: When someone starts, if they want to do a cleanse, we recommend taking generally two ounces twice a day for 14 days. This will cleanse and balance your pH. It will get rid of parasites. It gets rid of toxins before they’re absorbed into the body. It does all the internal things.
After that time, you can cut down and find your maintenance level, unless you have something very serious you’re working on that you need to be more aggressive with.
Lily: What about people who are taking medicine? I work with a lot of people who have thyroid disease. They’re taking their thyroid hormone medication in the morning. How do you recommend taking the clay around medication?
Perry: Very good question. Thanks for asking that. There are several things you never want to do. You want to take it away from medicines. Call your pharmacy and say, “How long does it take my body to absorb this medicine?” Then take your clay. It doesn’t hurt all medicines, but we’re not sure which ones it goes after. It’ll weaken them. It’s what it’ll do.
You want to always wait a while to take your clay until you’ve absorbed your medicine. Generally it’s one to three hours, but there are some time release medicines. You need to ask and inquire with your pharmacy not your doctor because he doesn’t know.
It doesn’t really bother supplements. I get up, take my supplements in the bathroom, take my shower, do my hair, get dressed, go into the kitchen and then I drink my clay. I like to drink it before I eat. During meals, particularly if I’m eating out, I don’t know the food and how it’s been handled, if it’s radiation‑free or chemical‑free. I will drink a little clay before I eat and that just solves the issue right there.
When you mix the liquid clay, you don’t need to refrigerate it. You can keep it on your kitchen cabinet. It’ll keep for months and months. It doesn’t spoil. It’s inert.
Lily: What is the best way to prepare it?
Perry: All clays are different. You’ll have to go by your manufacturer’s suggested protocols.
To mix the liquid. There are actually two videos. They’re on aboutclay.com and livingclayco.com. On Living Clay’s, you go to the site map and click on mixing directions. You’ll see a video no how to mix the liquid and how to mix the clay for a clay bath. For a liquid, it’s one part clay to eight parts water. I like a 32‑ounce bottle.
I recommend people buy the bottle of liquid that we have so they can see the consistency. They can keep this great bottle. It’s a real heavy duty, good, safe plastic bottle. Then you get a one pound jar of clay. It will make you four bottles of the 32‑ounce liquid. One bottle of the liquid and one pound bottle of the clay, both cost $19.95. It’s easy to make it.
When you make it you’re going to have the heavy particles settle to the bottom, the grainier part. Drink off the top. When you get to the bottom, add some water to it, shake it loose and feed it to your plants. They will bloom and grow like crazy.
We had a guy that was taking his bath water out. He was afraid it would hurt his septic tank. He was scooping it up and throwing it on his lawn. The next spring, everywhere he had thrown the clay water, the grass was green and growing. The rest of it was still dead.
Lily: Oh good because I’ve got some brown patches in my front yard right now that could use some love. I’m going to keep that in mind.
Perry: I always put a little handful in my potting soil when I’m potting plants. Then I always feed it…when I get a little clay left in the bottom of my bottle, I go and feed it to my plants. I get side tracked when I’m talking about this. We were on mixing directions.
Perry: To mix the 32‑ounce liquid, you want to put a half a cup of clay to 32 ounces. That’s a one to eight ratio. 32 ounces, eight into 32 goes four times. Four times one ounce would be a half a cup. You want to make eight ounces, you would put one ounce. There are not many cups with measurings for one ounce but an ounce is two tablespoons. You always want to shake clay. Never stir it.
Lily: Why is that?
Perry: It’s going to lump and stick to the spoon. Clay is like flour and water. It gets wet on the outside. It’s still dry in the middle. If you shake it, you break those lumps up. They absorb the water and hydrate. If you try to stir it, it gets wet on the outside. It sticks to your spoon. It doesn’t hydrate fully. So always shake it.
Lily: Shake it. Never allow it to interact with metal either, right?
Perry: Yes. Clay dissolves heavy metals. So if it’s a deteriorating metal, it’s going to rust it. Now if you’ve got metals in your braces or something, your dental metals and dental use materials do not deteriorate. So don’t worry about using in your mouth, swishing with it, brushing your teeth with it, packing your gums with it. That’s all good.
You don’t want to leave a teaspoon sitting in your clay for a long period of time. You can put it in the blender to mix your clay. As soon as you get it mixed and poured out, wash the blender blades so they don’t rust. It’s prolonged contact with metal that you want to avoid. To make it for the clay bath, you need to make it in a blender to get all the lumps out.
If you try to sprinkle it over the bath water, it gets lumpy. You get dust all over your bathroom. We originally used that as one of the ways to mix. I’m rewriting the book now so I can change some of those instructions. If you put a blender and put about two cups of water in it, put your one or two cups of clay, fill it to the top with water, about an inch from the top.
Put the lid on and blend it. Start your hot bath water going. Pour it in the tub. Rinse the blender out real good. Get all the clay out into the tub. Take the little bottom off, wash the blades off. Get in your tub and soak. You want to fill it up where you can submerge as much of your body as possible. I roll a towel behind my head where I can scrunch down in the water.
You’ll need to keep the water stirred up because it will settle down. When it’s mixed properly, it goes down the drain. It will flush right through. It’ll actually clean your drains. It’s not harmful for septic tanks. We have a septic tank expert say that it would not fill your lateral lines.
It’ll go straight to the bottom. It would take years of baths to leave enough sediment in your septic tank to make a difference.
Lily: That’s really good to know because I’ve been experimenting with it in the bath as well. I run the bath water. I dump a whole cup of the bentonite clay in there. I spend my bath time smooshing all the lumps with my hands. I’m going to try mixing it before I put it in my bath. I think that is going to be better.
Perry: Sometimes I mix some extra. I have a gallon jar that’s empty. I may pour the clay in that. I’ll fill it with a couple of baths’ worth. I can just pour half of it into the bath and another half into the next bath. You don’t have to fill it every time. You can get creative.
Lily: I could not end this interview without asking you about bentonite clay being used externally to support and stimulate the thyroid. You had mentioned it to me, I was hoping you could talk about that.
Perry: Drinking the clay will help because it helps support your whole immune system. Putting a clay poultice over your thyroid, it helps to stimulate and activate. Remember that clay is about balance. It’s going to bring blood flow and circulation. If we have a very under-active thyroid, I definitely put a little poultice on.
Spread some clay on like you’re doing a facial and let it dry. You’ll feel it getting warm. Then you can wash it off. It’s amazing what a poultice will do like that.
Lily: How long do you have to leave it on for?
Perry: Generally, it will dry in 15 or 20 minutes depending on how thick it is. It’s like doing a facial.
Lily: It seems like it works wonders. I’m so excited that I found out about it. I’m so excited I met you and got to learn all about it. It’s been so fun. I’ve been using it for about a month now. I definitely don’t see myself ever not using it. I’m really happy I was introduced to it.
Perry, it’s been so awesome speaking with you today.
Perry: I do want to refer your listeners to a site called aboutclay.com. It’s an educational‑only site. There are videos. There are audios, downloadable, you can listen to, interviews I’ve had, tons of articles.
All clays are different. Not all your clays are clean. Some of them are grittier than others. Some of them are even acidic. There’s a great article there on how to select the quality clay. It tells you questions to ask for.
Lily: That’s aboutclay.com. Your other site is livingclayco.com, correct?
Perry: Be sure and put the C‑O, livingclayco.com.
Lily: Everyone listening, please also check out Perry A.’s book, Living Clay: Nature’s Own Miracle Cure. My name is Lily Milkovic. You can find me online at LilyMilkovic.com.
Thank you, Perry. Appreciate it very much.
Perry: Thank you, Lily. It’s been a pleasure.